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Dave Strider ([personal profile] ironicoolly) wrote in [community profile] souljammed2016-12-26 12:12 pm

TL;DR CR MEME

TL;DR CHARACTER RELATIONSHIP MEME


1. post with your characters
2. respond to other people's characters with your characters
3. they tell you in detail what their character thinks of your character, ic or ooc! tl;dr is enouraged. don't have much/any cr? respond anyway, make magic happen!
4. then you react if you want!
5. other people do the same thing to you! maybe you can harvest your tl;dr to use in a cr chart later!

(shamelessly stolen from other people)
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Asriel Dreemurr

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Kyouko Sakura

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unlovably: (if you're loved but you won't accept it)

Ellen

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Jimmy Hopkins

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Gary Smith

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pugilize: (Default)

[personal profile] pugilize 2016-12-26 06:24 pm (UTC)(link)
also this one
unlovably: (you're so kind)

[personal profile] unlovably 2016-12-26 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)
THIS ONE TOO
relieable: (they made up his bed)

Osomatsu Matsuno

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relaxfriend: (Im laughing at you not with you)

[personal profile] relaxfriend 2016-12-26 06:57 pm (UTC)(link)
OH MAN OH BOY OKAY SO. HERE WE GO.

When Gary first speaks to Dave over that network post all he was to him was a source of information. Especially after he immediately dished some info on some asshole. That coupled with the fact that he was all too willing to divulge said info made Gary feel like he hit the jackpot. Like a broken slot machine. Honestly we've said this before but if they met under any other circumstances, or if Dave's post had been about anything else or had any other tone other than "sarcastic jerk" to it Gary probably would have just ended up making fun of him or something. But since Dave was clearly mocking the majority of Waverly Bay, well Gary can't resist joining in. So there's that.

Then next time they meet is when Gary's opinion of Dave goes from "source of info" to "what a tool". They get into that fight, which doesn't help the fact that Gary is in a super paranoid frantic state, and he's so blown away by the extreme backpedaling Dave does when he realizes the dude he's fighting is the "friend" he made over the net. This is when he realized he could make far more use of Dave than just as an informant. Even if it's just for his own personal enjoyment. His respect levels also go way down because of the backpedaling. Funny how Gary works, huh? But truthfully, Gary doesn't want anyone too close who will call him on his shit. Which is what makes Dave the perfect "friend" for Gary. There's also the fact that Dave stopped in the middle of an actual fight to text Gary. Like, at this point he's like WOW THIS GUY IS DEDICATED ON KEEPING ME UP TO DATE. THIS IS GOOD. So he uses that line about how he's not like those assholes who back stabbed him back home in order to officially sink his hooks into Dave. Halloween was a test to see how much it worked. And despite having Pokey there trying to get in the way, Gary realizes that his mission was a success.

THEN I BELIEVE THE NEXT BIG THING WAS CRAZY LARRY. Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy. So Gary would have handled that way differently at Bullworth but being a normal - in comparison - teen from a normal - again in comparison - world he was seriously out of his element. He became worried someone was watching him and out to get him. But DAVE damn getting Gary to trust you is like the hardest fucking thing because the boy is an unstable paranoid nut but...having seen all the hoops Dave has jumped through, the fact that he never stood up to him or anything, and displayed this unwavering (and unhealthy) loyalty. Gary actually grew to trust him. He trusted that Dave wouldn't fuck him over because, in Gary's mind, he was way too spineless and too desperate for his approval. Gary was totally okay with this and in fact relieved to have someone around like that in a place where he felt like he was constantly under attack. He had his dirty laundry aired and Dave didn't give a shit if it was true or not. That's dedication. And to Gary that's valuable. I think from that point onward Gary was as dependent on Dave as Dave is on Gary.

It's safe to say that Gary would finally see him as a friend - but a friend for Gary isn't...really a good thing. To Gary, a friend is just someone who will do what he says and not question him. Someone who will go along with his crazy ass plans and shenanigans. And if that friend isn't everything that Gary thinks they should be then he will work on making sure that changes. A friend is really just potential to Gary. MAN I HOPE THIS IS ALL MAKING SENSE. Basically Dave went from; source of info, tool, personal amusement, friend. And the last tier is the most dangerous because Gary will constantly be making sure that Dave is "fit" to be his friend. And knowing Gary's expectations that is a very not good thing.

So yeah, Dave is Gary's first real friend whom he trusts. This sounds good but is actually terrible. He relies on Dave to be there with information when Gary is lost, or for a distraction when he wants to get up to some shit, and also relies on him to be the one person who wont totally screw him over at a moment's notice.
relaxfriend: (jimmy you dunce)

Re: Dave Strider

[personal profile] relaxfriend 2016-12-26 06:57 pm (UTC)(link)
why r u friends with this asshole explain pls
relaxfriend: (11)

Re: Ellen

[personal profile] relaxfriend 2016-12-26 06:58 pm (UTC)(link)
ALSO I'd love to know her thoughts on Gary because their threads are so fucked up.
relaxfriend: (your mother doesn't love you)

[personal profile] relaxfriend 2016-12-26 06:59 pm (UTC)(link)
And this one too because c'mon
relaxfriend: (i imagine 100 ways for you to die)

[personal profile] relaxfriend 2016-12-26 07:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh man what does Gary think about Jimmy Hopkins...

Okay I'll start off by saying that Gary actually thought Jimmy could be fun to fuck around with since he's willing to do such crazy shit. Petey ran the fuck away as soon as Gary mentioned dog shit but Jimmy went and fought off Chad - a boxer - just to get some dog to poop. If not for literally everything else in their weird...not quite friendship...Gary would actually be able to stand Jimmy.

But beyond that. Man. So Jimmy and Gary make me laugh because Gary is bitter but has no right to be bitter. I actually feel sorry for Jimmy having to argue against Gary's really fucked up brand of logic when it comes to...well anything but especially that whole business in The Hole. Right now Jimmy is a huge threat to Gary. He's pissed off, hyper aggressive, and pretty strong. Not to mention Gary is actually pretty aware that he has potential to lead. Except he will take credit for everything Jimmy became at Bullworth, thinking that well yeah he has potential but he couldn't realize it without me pulling the strings! All he had to do was cut them once he got out of control and watch him fall helplessly! But now with all that shit at Bullworth out of the way Gary sees Jimmy as more of a threat than ever, especially since he's so angry at him.

AND MAN. Gary really is aware of what he did to Jimmy? But he's also convinced that Jimmy would have, at some point, turned the tables on Gary because he's projecting like a mofo. So while he understands why Jimmy is pissed he also gets offended because in his eyes it's like, DUDE STOP ACTING LIKE YOU'RE ANY BETTER THAN ME WHEN YOU WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME FUCKING THING. I actually worry I don't get that across well enough come to think of it. BUT ANYWAY yeah, Gary projects and takes it out on Jimmy a lot. I feel like he's also upset at wasted potential of Jimmy as an ally - even if he hadn't planned on keeping him around forever. He would have made a good underling, okay? Strong, willing to do anything, and generally went along with Gary's bullshit even though he called him out on a lot of shit. But that paranoia man. Jimmy was too good to be true so he had to be dealt with. He thinks a lot about how easy he could have taken the school if he hadn't become so suspicious of Jimmy. And of course, it's all Jimmy's fault for being TOO strong and for all the warning signs of a takeover that Gary completely fabricated in his head.

NOW IN SOULGEMMED. Gary's ego is so huge he thinks he can get himself off of Jimmy's shit list. Because he's really, honestly, threatened by Jimmy. For all the talk of comparing Jimmy's intelligence to a neanderthal and such Gary is well aware of what he's able to do. And having him be pissed off at him when he doesn't have cliques to manipulate is a frightening thing to him. Hence the truce. NOW it's kind of like a repeat of Bullworth. At least the beginning. Except Gary thinks he has some advantage, and he's also trying to build some bridges so that he doesn't have to worry about Jimmy too much. And all the while he's looking at Jimmy like, I HATE HIM BUT MAN HE'D BE A USEFUL ALLY TO HAVE IN THIS PLACE. HOW CAN I TRY THIS AGAIN? It's almost like Jimmy is a weird project to Gary. Kind of like how I mentioned Gary trying to turn anyone he thinks of has a friend into what he thinks they should be, except he sees Jimmy as more of a weapon. A powerful weapon that he could totally use if he could control it and damn it he wants to control it.

So in summation! To Gary Jimmy is an entertaining individual, but also has potential to get some shit done (I'm reminded of when he tells Jimmy, "You and me, we can do things.") and because of this he sees him as some kind of a weapon he could use to get his way. He lost control of him once but he wonders if he can get it back again. Because he's crazy.
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[personal profile] relaxfriend 2016-12-26 08:02 pm (UTC)(link)
"GO AWAY" that sums it up.

But no to be more specific. Gary and Ellen's first encounter was really, really, not cool. It actually scarred him for life LOL. There is no one else in the world who would strike such a fear in him as Ellen does. And not just because she can ensnare him in vines and crush him to death. See they both have this twisted sense of logic that Gary saw first hand when she explained to him her definition of love. And while he thinks love is a load of bunk he has no interest in he...actually understood what she was saying. It made more sense to him than someone who would have said LOVE IS SHOWERING YOUR LOVER IN ROSES AND POETRY AND SHOWING THEM YOU CARE!! And the fact that this clearly crazy girl made any kind of sense to him freaked him the hell out. Then she went and dropped the L bomb on him which turned him into even more of a paranoid mess for...ever, pretty much.

And MAAAN that valentines day event. When he saw her memory he felt what she felt, and what she felt was so painfully familiar to him that, while at the time he was under the events spell so he couldn't really think clearly about, afterwards really worried him. Like, what if I'm more like this crazy girl than I thought? To make matters worse she tells him about how she took a little girl's body so she wouldn't be sick anymore and uh...that made sense to him to. It made sense while he was under event influence and what was messed up is when he realized afterwards that it still made sense. And that yeah...he'd probably do the same thing if he could. So now Ellen is scarier than ever and that's after their first encounter was her torturing him. Now she's scary because there are parts of her that he identifies with.

THAT BEING SAID. With their last conversation Gary is just thinking...she's creepy as fuck but if I stay on her good side I should be fine. So she's another one who he's thinking he can try and turn into...a decent ally, as opposed to constantly trying to avoid her. He feels like he has no choice in the matter really. And it's either that or the terrifying alternative which is to run in fear forever. Because of this he's bitter as hell which always comes through in his conversations with her. After all, Gary has a big as hell ego and Ellen kind of just popped that shit within seconds of meeting him. She tamed him and truthfully she could tell him to jump and he would just be like "how high you crazy bitch?" because yeah he's scared.

Oh yeah and now he can't look at roses or any flowers really without having flashbacks. THANKS GG ELLEN.
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Harley Quinn

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Azula

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Sandy Marko

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[personal profile] pugilize 2016-12-26 09:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Gee, I wonder what Jimmy Hopkins could think of Gary.

...Okay no, it's actually kind of complicated, even if Jimmy will insist that it can be summed up with, "Gary sucks and needs his face beaten in."

Gary was Jimmy's first friend at Bullworth. For everything about Gary that aggravated Jimmy, that fact really did mean a lot to him. Gary could have been like everyone else Jimmy had met up to that point; he could've tried to make Jimmy's life miserable. He could've flung rocks at him, or actively antagonized him, or tried to beat him up. From the way Jimmy talks to Gary when Gary first addresses him, it's clear that that's what Jimmy had been expecting Gary to do.

But Gary doesn't do any of that. Instead, he explains how things work in Bullworth, shows Jimmy around, and offers him friendship - at a time when everyone else was just trying to make him miserable. And beyond that, at a time when everyone was dismissing him as just "fresh meat" or treating him like he was beneath their notice, Gary saw potential in Jimmy. That meant something to Jimmy, even if Gary is a dick who takes jokes way too far sometimes and his plots often get Jimmy into trouble with the school staff. That's the reason Jimmy is willing to go along with the crazy ideas that Gary throws at him.

Jimmy has to admit, too, that Gary is pretty fun to be around. His pranks are mean, but they're funny. They make him laugh, and sometimes they're carried out on people whom Jimmy happens to dislike. If there's one thing Jimmy is a stickler for, it's giving people "what's coming to them." This means that Jimmy enjoys seeing bad things happening to bad people, and he enjoys being the vehicle for those bad things to happen. That's part of the reason Jimmy carries Gary's pranks out so willingly. This also means that Jimmy can appreciate Gary's brutal honesty, too. He'll stop Gary when Gary goes too far, but he can't say he cares much if Gary calls an insecure jock out on being insecure.

On top of that, Jimmy isn't stupid, but he's no good at details or long-term planning. If Jimmy sees something he wants, he'll take the shortest and straightest path to it; the most blatant path. All the little machinations that Gary has going on, all the roundabout ways of achieving his goal... Gary's good with the minutiae that's lost on him, and Jimmy can appreciate that, so when Gary complains about Jimmy being self-absorbed and not seeing the bigger picture, Jimmy takes him at his word.

Gary Smith was his friend. When Gary backstabs him all of a sudden, it's completely out of left field for Jimmy, and he can't understand the reason for it. That, more than anything, is what he focuses on when Gary turns on him: the "why" if it all. He's hurt and he's angry, of course. He feels betrayed, of course. But he's also stuck on this, and it's something he obsessively goes over in his head because he just hasn't come to terms with it. He's unable to process that this is something that is happening to him, and that's partly why he's so dismissive of Petey whenever Petey warns him that he needs to do something about Gary.

Then Gary gets him expelled, and he ends up in Nyoi-cho. Now the "why" of it matters a lot less, because the only thing he can focus on is his rage. Gary has ruined his life, and that's what really matters, isn't it? Fuck him. He isn't someone to be trusted, he took Jimmy's trust and spat it in his face, and that's the end of the matter.

At least, it is until Jimmy runs into Gary again.

At first, Jimmy is determined to make Gary eat pavement until Gary can never open his stupid mouth again. Never laugh that stupid laugh, never try to deceive him with lies, never turn everyone else against him with dumb rumors. Then he hears how bad it is here, and he hears that Gary's been here for long enough to be a well-established member of the community. He grows afraid.

Jimmy had never wanted Gary as an enemy, but his anger and his pride won't allow him to treat Gary as anything else, now that Gary's gone and ruined his life so thoroughly. But anger and pride are nothing next to survival, and Jimmy knows how tough it can be to survive. So in a place like this, where having Gary as his enemy might actually cost him his life? Sure, he's willing to swallow his anger and his pride. Sure, he's willing to try to work with Gary.

But that's all this is. Survival. He sure as fuck isn't about to make the mistake of trying to befriend Gary again, nor is about to allow himself to forget what Gary's done to him anytime soon. This time, he's going to be more aware so that Gary can't ever screw him over again, and he's determined to not let things end in the same way that they did before.
unlovably: (i don't need you)

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unlovably: (there's someone who loves you)

[personal profile] unlovably 2016-12-26 09:43 pm (UTC)(link)
OK NO IN ALL SERIOUSNESS THOUGH hey Gary, hey Gary, have you ever heard of the suspension bridge effect?

Gary is a special person for Ellen; not because he claimed to love her, but because he's the first person to find out the truth about her and still claim to love her. He's the first to not immediately flee in terror. He's the first to not look down on her or call her a monster. Given what she's been through, that means the world to her; even if she knows that he wasn't in his right mind during that conversation.

Ellen is of the belief that people could never truly love her. They have this image of her that they build up in their minds, and she has to live up to that image if she wants their continued affections. It's not the real Ellen that anyone has ever truly loved; it's just this image of her. When people say they want to learn more about her, they don't really mean that. They don't want to learn about her, really. They just want her to conform to their expectations.

Gary alone was different, and Ellen understands that it's because they're alike in a lot of ways. She doesn't have memories of the time Gary met her at Waverly Bay, of course, but she's gathered enough from her interactions with him here to pick up on that much. Gary's mother did not love him, and Gary's father barely acknowledged him. That's immensely similar to Ellen's own home situation, and it makes her feel an intrinsic connection between the two of them.

No one could understand her, because no one's experienced the things that she has - with the exception of Gary, and that makes Gary unique. So maybe Gary doesn't currently feel the same way he did before; maybe he doesn't love her or want to know about her anymore. But she's fine with that, because she's certain he could come to love her - on a level that, she thinks, perhaps no one else could come close to reaching.

Of course, that isn't to say that Ellen has let her guard down around Gary. Gary knows too much about her; Gary knows things that no one should know about her. If Gary wanted to, he could make life for Ellen very difficult, and she's aware of that. But for the moment, she's also certain that she has enough control over him that he isn't a threat to her just yet, and she intends to keep it that way. Gary is clearly terrified of her, and she finds that charming, too, in its own way. Love is power, after all. Love is absolute control over another human being. Love is someone being willing to die for the sake of another.

And Gary is clearly on his way there, even if he doesn't realize it yet. Even if he thinks he doesn't love Ellen anymore.

Ellen is sure that, with just a little convincing on her part, he'll come to love her once more. After all, he's already proven himself receptive to her influence.
relaxfriend: (you moron)

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[personal profile] unlovably 2016-12-26 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
and truthfully she could tell him to jump and he would just be like "how high you crazy bitch?" because yeah he's scared

oh my god i can't stop laughing POOR GARY

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